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Timebomb
     As this presidential primary heats up, I continue to be perplexed by how well Hillary Clinton is doing among Black voters while there is a smart, qualified, and seemingly abled Black candidate in the race. I can't think of a legitimate reason why Clinton is polling even with Obama among Black voters. In fact, I'm almost at the point of declaring that, when it comes to this development, we should be ashamed of ourselves. If, in an era of meritocracy, we can't bring ourselves to support one of us, despite the fact that he IS the smartest person in the room, what does that really say about us?

     There is no oversimplification here. I do understand that Bill Clinton banked a lot of goodwill with Black folks, legitimate or not. I also understand the relationships the Clintons have with influential Blacks. But, at what point do we, as Black people, conjure up enough strength to openly and directly support a viable option who looks like us?

     Hillary Clinton is dominant when polling white women, Joe Lieberman, in his presidential bid in 2000, polled more than 90% among Jewish voters, and I challenge you to find an Irish-Catholic who didn't vote for JFK (beside Pat Buchanan).

     The strongest criticism I have about Black baby boomers (besides their numbing incompetence and struggle with reason and common sense) is their hesitance to support candidates and issues that are poised to do us the most good, from a logical standpoint.

      Yet, here we are again. Here lies before us another opportunity to make a statement that needs to be made, that we do support our own. But, like other times before, we seem to be failing again.



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Magic
The mindless zombie walk that the majority of Black people do for white candidates, stems from our biggest collective weakness, wanting to be accepted!

We live in communities that re-elect Black candidates that care more about the education of illegal immigrants than the "Black" people they themselves look like.

We live in communities that when Black people are expecting white guest in their home will clean from top to bottom, put on new clothes and serve the best food and liquor. But when a Black guest shows up...he/she is lucky if they are offered a glass of water.

We live in a community (Los Angeles) that supports a Black Owned radio station with a (claimed Black) talk show host that insults and belittles "anyone" that has an opposing view of Homosexuality or Illegal immigration.

When a people are this divided and misguided on important issues, it is of no surprise that we still cater to those we historically were brought here to serve!

Until Black people understand the mental damage of being owned by another race of people, and then marring and breeding with them, we will continually side with all of the stupid issues that support our ex-slave masters.

I know it hurts, but it is true. The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad warned us of mating with the white man. Look at the statements that most brain damaged, racially sensitive, race mixed individuals spout out of their mouths. It is always a message of we are human beings and should look to others to make us whole. No other race on this planet does this but the ex- slave here in America.

P.S. Even if by some stretch of wild fate Obama gets elected, he will not make any real difference for the Black race in this country. We have had and still have Black people in high places of government, and what has changed because of it??? Not a Damm Thing!

When we collectively build businesses and towns for our own then a change will come. Until then, what you see is what you get!


Magic
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mac
Are black people going to vote for Obama just because he's black?

Not a good choice.




Let it be impressed on your mind that God commands you to choose for rulers just men who will rule in the fear of God [Exodus 18:21]. . . . If the citizens neglect their duty and place unprincipled men in office, the government will soon be corrupted . . . If our government fails to secure public prosperity and happiness, it must be because the citizens neglect the Divine commands, and elect bad men to make and administer the laws.
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Timebomb
Apparently, Mac either didn't read or understand my initial post. The principal argument of the post clearly wasn't the endorsement of Barack Obama solely on the basis of his skin color, but rather the fact that he appears to be a lot smarter than all of the other candidates. Assuming this assessment is accurate, it makes no sense for Black people, despite his apparent command of the issues and well-reasoned stances, to not offer their support.

As for Obama's faith, it is what it is and it's not a disqualifier for me. Candidates from both parties subscribe to teachings in their faith that are cause for headscratching. One's belief in an ark that carried every species of life during a flood seems ridiculous to me. One could also make ridicule of Moses' son (Ham) being turned Black because he laughed at his father's drunk, naked body. Yet, Mac selectively chooses to offer a rendering of teachings that are part of Obama's faith. I wil patiently wait for Mac to offer all of us a link that takes us to radio interviews of ministers from churches that the other candidates attend.

Again, I stand by my position and look upon black Clinton supporters with some disdain.
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BLACKBOX
Will Obama  stand up and support issues that effect Blacks in America, or   will  Obama  talk  out of both sides of his mouth  ? 
 
 For decades, and long  before the Internet,  before most here  was born  The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad  told us  that Certainly  there is power in voting  if there was such a thing as true  justice and equality  for the so called Negros in America.
But  the  crooked white man's  political machine  and his misguided, mis-everything  negro candidate  in America as to date  allways help  keep  the white man's  once slave's  just free slaves  it will make no real difference no matter who you vote for unless that person clearly and expressly take a stand for total freedom , justice and equality  for the Black Man and Woman and you know that aint going to happen with  any   love white folk first flag waving negro candidate. 
SO WHO ARE WE GOING TO VOTE FOR  TO BURN OUR ASS THIS TIME ?  

 
I side with MAGIC  on this :
  When a people are this divided and misguided on important issues, it is of no surprise that we still cater to those we historically were brought here to serve!
Until Black people understand the mental damage of being owned by another race of people, and then marring and breeding with them, we will continually side with all of the stupid issues that support our ex-slave masters.

I know it hurts, but it is true. The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad warned us of mating with the white man. Look at the statements that most brain damaged, racially sensitive, race mixed individuals spout out of their mouths. It is always a message of we are human beings and should look to others to make us whole. No other race on this planet does this but the ex- slave here in America.

P.S. Even if by some stretch of wild fate Obama gets elected, he will not make any real difference for the Black race in this country. We have had and still have Black people in high places of government, and what has changed because of it??? Not a Damm Thing!When we collectively build businesses and towns for our own then a change will come. Until then, what you see is what you get!  [un-quote]

 

 BLACK BOX

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Magic
The right to Vote has been the biggest sham on Black people next to Brown vs. The Board of Education!

Again! Any silly Negro that think's white America will allow a Black man to occupy the the seat of the President of The United States of America, and not control 100% in totality and finality everything this Negro does, is off their Meds!

Sure I would like to see Obama as President, he should have every right to make a "Jack Ass" out of himself just like his predecessors. I feel Black people have a duty to support their own, just like all the other races do for their people!

Look at the Mexicans that have power in Los Angeles, the white boy is letting them expose their stupidity, and allowing them to hang themselves as a race for future positions. But you haven't seen any Mexican citizens say a terse word about these idiots. This is one lesson Black people can learn from Illegal Mexicans;...Keep Your Mouth Shut When It Comes To Your Own People.

Obama is the best choice considering the sorry ass line up!


But like I predicted, they are digging, and bound to come up with something to give these tobacco chewing white boys and their Lexus, Mercedes, and rubber Coach Purse buying Negro field hands an excuse to choose good ol'e fashion pink white folks for the white house again!

Once again I find myself wasting time commenting on something that if it comes to pass, ain't gonna amount to a hill of Bandini anyway!

Perhaps we discuss how we can get some of these BOOTY licking Uncle Toms out of office?

Magic

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Timebomb
What can one man do, even as President? Nothing, of course. That has been the case for every President since Washington. So the Honorable Elijah Muhammad wasn't all that sage in his assessment Presidential power. He simply has an understanding of elementary civics.

Obama's election, or attempt to be elected, has everything to do with us, more specifically our willingness to openly support one of us without worrying about our failure to placate white folks. As mentioned in the original posts, there has to be something psychologically wrong with the significant percentage of us who run to Clintons and gleefully support them with fervor. What have the Clintons ever done for Black people during their presidency? Absolutely nothing. What could he have done in his post? Nothing still? This speaks to everyone's point that Obama's hypothetical presidency wouldn't do anything for Black people.

Further, those who subscribe to the notion that voting is a sham are either deaf, dumb, or blind. Even today, there exists a minority group whose potential voting power is so great, that Washington has paralyzed itself when dealing with an issue that affects this minority group. It is no accident that Immigration Reform is currently going through its machinations. Both parties are scared shitless of what would happen if the majority of this bloc doesn't fall into their column. Mind you, all of this hand wringing is being done over a group of people whose vast majority is either too young or illegal.

The problem with Black voting power is that it is off the table and never up for grabs. One party is guaranteed a lion's share of it and that party rests its head at night KNOWING that this support won't go anywhere else. That being said, what incentive does either party have in being responsive to us from a political standpoint? Further, our political habits have a tendency to be steered by Black elected officials who offer no strategy or thought into how it should be leveraged. There are way too many examples of this. If the government has already decided what quality of education is "good enough" for us, why continue supporting that institution? If the government has already decided what level of medical care is "good enough", why continue supporting that entity? If law enforcement has already decided what quality of service is "good enough" for us, why continue supporting those who condone that system?

The point is, we squander whatever political capital by electing officials who support the very institutions that treat us horribly.

That's the problem with voting.
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Magic
First! Any person that would reduce The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad's
understanding of white supremacy to a simple elementary level of civics, I would submit has had a Time Bomb prematurely exploded in their brain!

Mr. Muhammad
was telling un-educated Negros and educated stupid Negroes that voting was a waste of time more than 60 + years ago! The Honorable Elijah Muhammad understood this before we even were given the right to vote. Please notice the key words "Given The Right to Vote"!
You do not give your enemy anything that will empower him! This is why the Negro here in America is so weak, we have been stupid enough to buy into the Sham of ...we have been given equal rights.

I challenge the Black intellectual to prove that "any" so-called minority has EVER changed the course of US politics for their own gain! You do not have to be Archimedes to understand that when 18% (Black population) versus 82% (white population) you lose on every decision that the 82% wants passed.
If one understands the Electoral College concept of voting, you will see the so-called minority is even more subjugated to casting a vote that is meaningless, unless it happens to agree with the majority.

The problem is in America most people do not think on a multilevel platform. The individuals that posses this mental attribute, can easily see chess moves 10 plays ahead, this is the kind of thinking that drives the governmental machine of America!

To make it simple, if 50% of white America voted to rein-act slavery, and 100% of Black people voted to against it, Black people would lose (even with the Electoral College concept applied)!

It is more than disappointing to see and hear obviously educated Black people here at this blog, and elsewhere in the media that simply do not understand this simple concept.


The president has always been a figure head that has adviser's and financial supporters that call the real shots.
The same goes for Mayors of cities and Governors of states, for sure no one believes that an Iron Pushing dumb ass like Arnold Swatzenidiot makes and real financial decisions regarding California?

Wake up Black people and lets come up with a real strategy instead of analyzing our own demise.

Magic




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BLACKBOX

Why would  a  dumb ass slave mentality negro come here trying to justify the white boy's B/S over   The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad's  wisdom  by saying he  simply has an understanding of elementary civics. It took a fool  elementary school thinking person to make such a statement .

hopeful those  dumb ass slave mentality boot licking  negro's  of 2007  will understand what they are reading and WAKE UP   by seeing  cartoons from The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad's  wisdom   from the 60's, and the cartoons are just as pertinent today as they were in the 60' 70's  . 




BLACK BOX
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Timebomb
It's a shame that one can't engage in an intelligent discussion without the name calling. Muhammad was simply repeating everyone else's assumption when speaking on the limits of presidential power. In fact, during the 60's, and even 50's, what the president can, cannot, should, and should not do in the area of civil rights was fodder in that debate. So to mention that Muhammad's statement was an understanding of elementary civics (separation of powers) is simply a fact that Black Box is not intelligent or mentally mature enough to deal with.

It so bothered him, that he entirely misses the point of the argument which calls on Black people to, without reservation, supoort our own. As Malcolm was intelligent enough to break away from the Nation of Islam when he sniffed out the bullshit Elijah Muhammad was selling, so to will the rest of our men and women who spiritually and intellectually evolve and wake up. So I would suggest that any leadership coming from a psuedo-revolutionary group with little in the way of ideas and solutions would amount to nothing more that an increase in the number of buffoons and misfits who want to lead us.


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Timebomb

 

Magic’s post also falls short making an argument that could be remotely construed as well-reasoned or sound. His initial challenge in the form of a question is also intellectually suspect when you, again, take into consideration the fact that we have a minority group who has used their potential political strength to compel the Federal Government to ignore existing immigration policy. Even further, this group is the least educated and paid with a substantial amount of them unwilling or unable to learn English. I’ll repeat the fact that the two major political parties are falling all over themselves to placate them. There is more than one reason why Bush is pushing so hard for legislation to be drafted that would allow this group eventual citizenship while, at the same, the party in opposition is in complete agreement. If you, the reader, have trouble figuring this out, I will help you. It’s voting.

 

Despite what you disengagement-at-all-cost Negroes think, voting is a viable political tool because political policy is, in large part, driven by the polls. Political influence or access to it isn’t possible without getting (or knowing someone who will get) one more vote than their opponent in an election.

 

While Magic seems to know of the Electoral College (again learned in basic civics), the conclusion you draw from it suggests your pedestrian understanding of it. Without breaking down the reasoning behind the Electoral College, which flies in the face of the argument you pose later in your post, I will let you in on the fact that because African Americans (closer to 10% of the population than 18%) are concentrated in States that carry the largest number of Electoral votes, our

vote carries more weight than if we lived in less populous States that don’t carry a lot of Electoral College votes. All one has to do is review the behavior of the Republican National Committee in Florida (in 2000) and Ohio (in 2004). Both states, in both election years, found it necessary to illegally disenfranchise Black voters in order to win the 25 Electoral College votes in Florida and the 21 in Ohio respectively. So the question that begs to be asked is why would it be necessary to act out in this fashion if voting is a sham?

 

The hypothetical scenario that Magic puts forth also reveals his ignorance of basic civics. If he were a bit more knowledgeable, he would realize that a vote to put Black people in back in slavery is a non-starter. There are too many amendments to the Constitution in place to preclude it, although I would be interested in reading Lerome Bennett’s take on the Emancipation Proclamation.

 

Finally, I would just mention that it’s not coincidental that those who seem to believe that voting and other political activities are a sham are the same people who display their ignorance of the process to begin with. If you believe that all political power rests with the chief executive of the States or the Federal Government, of course they’ll be disappointed. But it should be noted that their disappointment is a product of their own ignorance.

 

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BLACKBOX
Toms like Time Bomb are talking loud and saying nothing and  keep sticking his foot in his mouth  too  many times to respond to .  He  think he is so  dam smart [the intelligentsia negro ] with  a  small brains  and  come to  Black site's  posting tons of gobbledygook b/s  disrespecting  Black Leaders who the Black masses [Million Man March etc.]  love and respect. His ass would not  last as long as a snow ball in hell  among aware Black Man. 

Time Bomb  I repeat the cartoon below  for you ,  u  toms are like a pack of confused dogs  chasing their own tails, and as My Grand Father use to say : Chunk some  rock's  into  a pack of dogs and the hit ones will  yelp the loud'est like you.  Enjoy  
 

 


 

Black Box


 
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